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Posted: Nov. 28, 2011, 5:55 pm Quote

Quoting about a very rare artistic, Disney-related and historical, find......  Quoting Reuters news service.

http://www.reuters.com/article....sp=true

Early "lost" Disney cartoon discovered in UK


By Mike Collett-White
LONDON | Mon Nov 28, 2011 9:27am EST

(Reuters) - A lost Walt Disney cartoon that pre-dated Mickey Mouse has been discovered in a British film archive and will be offered for auction in Los Angeles on December 14.

"Hungry Hobos" was one of 26 episodes featuring Oswald the Lucky Rabbit, a character created by Disney and cartoonist Ub Iwerks in 1927 for Universal Studios.

The first production featuring Oswald, widely considered a prototype to the more famous Mickey Mouse, was rejected by the Hollywood studio, but the second, "Trolley Troubles," kick-started a successful series.

Robert Dewar, commercial director of Huntley Film Archives, one of Britain's biggest independent film libraries, said he and colleagues found the only known surviving copy of Hungry Hobos during a routine cataloguing exercise earlier this year.

"We've got more films than you can imagine," he told Reuters, adding that only about 40,000 of the archive's 80,000 films are fully accounted for.

"We thought this one (Hungry Hobos) looked a little bit suspicious."

Amanda Huntley of the archive added: "When we checked this film we couldn't quite believe our eyes. For an archive, finding a lost masterpiece is incredible -- you just don't think it will happen to you."

Dewar said the archive intended to use the money raised by the sale to help preserve its library.

Bonhams auctioneers expect the 5 minute, 21 second film to fetch $30-40,000 when it goes under the hammer.

The character of Oswald has appeared in several guises over the years, but the significance of Hungry Hobos was that it is part of the first series associated directly with Disney.

According to Dewar, adding to the film's importance was the fact that it aired on May 14, 1928, one day before the first trial screening of Mickey Mouse. It is one of several episodes of the original series still thought to be lost.

In 1928, Disney asked Universal for more money but his request was turned down, prompting his decision to part ways with the studio.

Iwerks went with him, and they developed their most famous creation, Mickey Mouse, a version of Oswald.

"Oswald is a proto-Mickey," said Dewar. "If you see him, you see the same shape of the head, the ears, the mannerisms."

He added that Walt Disney Co., the global entertainment company, was aware of the discovery.

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Posted: Nov. 28, 2011, 9:56 pm Quote

Wouldn't it be nice if one day Disney did some theming of a park using the Oswald character instead of all Pixar and Muppets?

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Posted: Nov. 30, 2011, 12:53 am Quote

Quote (utilidor27 @ Nov. 28, 2011, 9:56 pm)
Wouldn't it be nice if one day Disney did some theming of a park using the Oswald character instead of all Pixar and Muppets?

:D I agree!
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Posted: Dec. 01, 2011, 9:42 pm Quote

Hey, don't diss my Muppets, but I agree, it would be nice to see those characters.  If I recall correctly,  from a CNBC documentary on Walt Disney's life, Oswald was at one time IP of Universal, and may still be.  If that is still the case, there would have to be some sort of purchase rights in order for it to happen.

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Slight correction:  CNBC frequently airs a biography of Walt Disney that aired on the weekend of 9/11/2001, the Sunday after the attacks, on ABC's then "Wonderful World of Disney" on ABC.  It was made for the 100th anniversary of Walt Disney's birth that year.  The documentary is actually available on home video (we own it).  Because Walt was a CEO, CNBC airs the program/DVD, but it was originally aired on ABC a decade ago.  "Walt Disney: The Man Behind the Myth".  There is also a book available with photos used in the documentary.

Anyone interested in the biography and history of Walt Disney can enjoy a fabulous museum in the Presidio area of San Francisco The Walt Disney Family Museum, crated by Walt's surviving daughter Diane Disney Miller.  Google it, "like" it on Facebook.

Another correction:  After Robert Iger became CEO of Disney Disney bought the rights to Oswald the Lucky Rabbit from Universal, and Disney now formally and legally owns the character now.  Researchable on Google.
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Quote (utilidor27 @ Nov. 28, 2011, 9:56 pm)
Wouldn't it be nice if one day Disney did some theming of a park using the Oswald character instead of all Pixar and Muppets?

I agree.  I'm sick of finding Nemo.  I seemingly find him in every nook and cranny of every park.

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Posted: Dec. 10, 2011, 11:31 am Quote

I agree.

Disney tends to tilt overboard on some things while those things are hot or perceived to be hot, sometimes to point of sensory overload, and has no sense of balance or history about anything else.   Sure, I can see and understand if a current movie is out to promote it in the parks with some character meet and greets or a short-term themed area, and if it's popular then promoting it some more.  And I can see people have favorite characters, children have favorite characters.  But look at the list of what I can think of off the top of my head that any Disney fan can frankly admit Disney is tilting or has tilted at least at some time over the years overboard about:

--They're "Disney" parks, not "Pixar" parks.  People adore Buzz Lightyear, Woody, and other movies and characters, yes.  Frankly, Pixar's had a long streak of success about this which has eclipsed and surpassed Disney Feature Animation.  And yes Disney owns Pixar.  Still they are "Disney" parks, not "Pixar" parks.....

--Princess overload

--Pooh and Pooh characters overload

--Marvel characters since Disney bought Marvel

--Years ago "Lilo and Stitch" overload about Stitch

--Lately "Duffy" the contrived stuffed teddy bear that Mickey and Minnie went traveling with one time (never happened)

--Lion King overload (not as bad now as it was since the movie came out in 1994, numerous direct-to-videos)

--Pirates of the Caribbean (four movies' worth)

--IMHO too much character dining (which commands higher prices than just a regular nice sit-down restaurant or buffeteria would)

--Character meet and greets everywhere, including in a lot of eateries (see "too much character dining"), which impedes pedestrian flow in some areas and adds to visual clutter

I like or liked most of these things (except the contrived idea of Duffy and Disney owning Marvel) in a basic embracing all of Disney kind of a way and like all things, in moderation.  But when you take steps back overload is indeed going on.  It gets overwhelming.  And I think a lot of families just don't bother to keep up with which cartoon, animated film or CGI film characters to keep up with, and can get confused between another studios films (Marvel's, coming in a few years James Cameron's "Avatar" lands) and genuinely Disney films.

Only the most fanatical of deeply Disney fans care who Oswald the Lucky Rabbit is or was, it's historical significance to The Walt Disney Company (Oswald was a crucial crossroads and predecessor milestone) or to the biography of Walt Disney (also a critical crucial milestone in his life when he lost the rights to the character).  

And you have a CEO who on one hand bought the rights back to Disney from Universal not too long ago, yet turns around and wants to not be "tied" so much to Disney's "traditions" or "past" so the company can do and innovate new things for todays audiences.  Kinda contradictory right there.

I'd like to see Disney take a lot of steps back, take a breath, reassess and reevaluate, and figure out with all the permanent buildings and lands they already have that are themed already the way they are, what can they do in 2012 and beyond to elegantly appeal to everyone with all the characters they already have and have it make sense rather than a mish-mash
conglomeration or a beat-you-over-the-head-with-it overboard marketing sales pitch they also do.

If they can make Walt's old character Oswald relevant for 2012 or beyond, then go for it!

Here's the key:  I believe the old Walt Disney Treasures collection of DVDs, the ones in aluminum tins of rare, historic, niche titles of things, put out a DVD of old Oswald the Lucky Rabbit cartoons.  Scroll down and go to Amazon.com's home video, or go to D23's site and see if something like that could be purchased today.  Question:  Would you fork the money out for such a DVD then eagerly look forward to meeting and greeting, posing for photos with, getting autographs from, buying merchandise about Oswald?  As compared with any other Disney-Pixar-Marvel-Muppets character-movie-merchandising-show of the moment?  Would the fact you could meet and greet and eat with Oswald prompt you to buy a ticket and book travel to any Disney park?  Or would you be going to a Disney park anyway?

'Cause Disney's not going to create anything unless there's money to be made.  It took them years to finally do something with the Muppets after Disney bought them.  Duffy is a contrived character for the purposes of selling merchandise in the parks.  Everything else stems from the old idea of "Disney synergy" from Michael Eisner's days as Disney CEO.  If Walt himself were alive and spry today and still in charge, and he managed to get Oswald back from Universal and be reunited with Oswald, would Walt himself "do anything" with the character after having had successes in "Mary Poppins" or the live-action films or animated film successes?

The answers if you're practical and a bean-counter would determine Disney proceeding or not in one direction, the answers if you revere Walt Disney and his biography and business rationales while he was alive and find ways to make the character relevant for 2012 and beyond audiences would determine a different direction.  Do you want to make a profit on this and make a statement to your shareholders, or just do business from the heart?
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