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Posted: Aug. 07, 2010, 2:48 pm Quote

Fromm Box Office Mojo.com August 4, 2010 :


Monsters Inc. 2 has been shifted from Nov. 16, 2012 to Nov. 2, 2012, shortly after The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn (Part Two) staked its claim on the Nov. 16 date yesterday. About 15 minutes before Disney's announcement, Paramount Pictures pushed DreamWorks Animation's tentatively-titled The Guardians from Nov. 2, 2012 to Wed., Nov. 21, meaning all three currently scheduled Nov. 2012 movies have shifted dates in the past 24 hours.

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Yeah, meant to post that Disney-Pixar's sequelizing again. ;)
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Posted: Aug. 13, 2010, 10:13 am Quote

Hey, it worked pretty good with Toy Story 2 and 3, why not with Monsters, Inc. 2?

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Posted: June 10, 2013, 5:13 pm Quote

So fast forward to 2013 and "Monsters, Inc. 2" is now called "Monsters University" and it's essentially a prequel to MI.  

One might still ask "Why?" And the obvious answer is "To theme Disney theme parks summer marketing around in 2013, and also see if they can sell Monsters, Inc. toys and cross promotions, such as Swiffer floor cleaner TV commercials, that's why."

Even though what Pixar fans really want to see in this comic-book movie driven movie environment is an "Incredibles 2" movie.  No plans for that, though.  Look for a "Finding Nemo" sequel called "Finding Dory" in a couple of years.

Oh well…. Anyway….

Since Disney Echo isn't frequently visited any more I'll just post this statistical analysis list for general funsies.  

Here's a list of Pixar's major movies in chronological order, along with their Rotten Tomatoes scores.  

Added in: 2013's "Monsters University" with a RT preliminary score of….. 71% Fresh.  It opens June 21, 2013, Father's Day Weekend.  It's still early before MU widely opens, maybe its RT score will get higher and Fresher over at RT.  Or… Maybe this early indicator is a hint of a middling or downward slide.  What do you think?


Toy Story 1995 100% Fresh
A Bug's Life 1998 92% Fresh
Toy Story 2 1999 100% Fresh
Monster's, Inc. 2001 96% Fresh
Finding Nemo 2003 99% Fresh
The Incredibles 2004 97% Fresh

Disney buys Pixar 2006.

Cars 2006 74% Fresh
Ratatouille 2007 96% Fresh
WALL-E 2008 96% Fresh
Up 2009 98% Fresh
Toy Story 3 2010 99% Fresh
Cars 2 2011 38% Rotten
Brave 2012 78% Fresh
Monsters University 2013, Opens June 21 71% Fresh (preliminary early Rotten Tomatoes score, this will change)

Any MU official movie promotion website or Facebook page is fully featured, so head online and click, watch trailers, and get an idea what this movie is about.

If you want Parental Guidance, on or after the Opening Day of June 21, 2013 check:  Kids In Mind, Rotten Tomatoes, movie reviews at Catholic News Service, Plugged in Online the media review service of Focus on the Family, Metacritic, Movie Mom Nell Minow at Beliefnet.com.

It apparently is opening in proximity to the sequel of "Despicable Me", too.  Not a good sign.  "Monsters, Inc." is a 12 year old movie, a prequel, set in college newbie freshman year, this much later is a gamble, but it could work.  Some of the RT reviews sound very good, so there's some hope…..
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Posted: June 16, 2013, 8:27 am Quote

Quote (CarolKoster @ June 10, 2013, 4:13 pm)
So fast forward to 2013 and "Monsters, Inc. 2" is now called "Monsters University" and it's essentially a prequel to MI.  

[….]

Here's a list of Pixar's major movies in chronological order, along with their Rotten Tomatoes scores.  

[….]

Toy Story 1995 100% Fresh
A Bug's Life 1998 92% Fresh
Toy Story 2 1999 100% Fresh
Monster's, Inc. 2001 96% Fresh
Finding Nemo 2003 99% Fresh
The Incredibles 2004 97% Fresh

Disney buys Pixar 2006.

Cars 2006 74% Fresh
Ratatouille 2007 96% Fresh
WALL-E 2008 96% Fresh
Up 2009 98% Fresh
Toy Story 3 2010 99% Fresh
Cars 2 2011 38% Rotten
Brave 2012 78% Fresh
Monsters University 2013, Opens June 21 71% Fresh (preliminary early Rotten Tomatoes score, this will change)

[….]

If you want Parental Guidance, on or after the Opening Day of June 21, 2013 check:  Kids In Mind, Rotten Tomatoes, movie reviews at Catholic News Service, Plugged in Online the media review service of Focus on the Family, Metacritic, Movie Mom Nell Minow at Beliefnet.com.

[….]

As of Sunday morning, June 16, 2013 Father's Day MU is now 87% Fresh vs. 71% Fresh at Rotten Tomatoes, making it about 5 percentage points below "A Bug's Life" which was at 92% when it was in theaters.  Big climb up the Tomatometer of 16 percentage points !   If the upward trend continues MU will be in the 90th percentile of Fresh, which is where most of Pixar's movies are.  It's even better than "Brave" was !

In the Quote Box are other Pixar movies and their Rotten Tomatoes scores, and a list of where to go for parental guidance about taking young children to see MU.  

Read up on the reviews at Rotten Tomatoes :

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/monsters_university/
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Posted: June 17, 2013, 9:32 am Quote

Pixar's 14th feature length animated feature Monsters University on Monday morning, June 16, at Rotten Tomatoes, dipped.  It's scores starting at 71%, then 87%, now 81%.  If you average prior RT scores with the current (and still roller-coastering up and down) 81%, you can get an average 88.86% Fresh.  Still excellent….  

However I spent time this morning reading all of the reviews, in entirety, posted at Rotten Tomatoes.   It would seem like Pixar after Toy Story 3 in 2010 reached not the end of an era, but a plateauing of an era.  

We'll have to see where MU's up today, down the next, back up, back down ratings at RT end up as it gets closer to wide US release date of June 21.  Will it inch up to 90s or near 90s, Pixar's usual place of excellence at RT?  Or end up being "OK" ratings in the 70s like Cars and Brave?  Or closer to Rotten, 60 score or lower, like Cars 2 was?  

You know when Hollywood is scraping the bottom of the idea barrel when they resort not just to sequels and prequels but reboots (new movies of Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, etc., taking the original story and remaking it over again).  

It's a shame to see this "scraping bottom of the barrel" at Pixar.   Cars, Cars 2 and Brave are so far Pixar's lowest RT score movies, now MU seems to be the fourth.  Still there's hope for higher RT scores before June 21 opening day.

Maybe tying in MU to Disney theme parks this summer will expose audiences more positively to the movies in the captive audience spaces of familiar and loved theme parks.  One bolsters the other.  Surely MU will make money in the US and worldwide.  Then Despicable Me 2 opens….  MU gotta rake it in at the box office quick because DM2 will siphon off that family audience.

The RT scores go up and down, up and down… kinda like one's grades adjusting to college in freshman year….  "Toy Story" in 1995 was the new baby of the Pixar family… Now 17-18 years later that Pixar baby is off to college in MU.  Think of it:  Pixar didn't get along with benefactor-distribution agency Disney in 2004, in 2006 Disney bought Pixar, in 2011 Pixar's guiding force, Steve Jobs, died.  Pixar had autonomy, then was absorbed into Disney corporate culture.  John Lasseter had autonomy and "channeled" Walt Disney better than Disney Feature Animation did.  Then Lasseter was tasked with overseeing Disney Feature Animation, Imagineering, re-doing WDW's Fantasyland and Disneyland's California Adventure.  And watching as Pixar nurtured internal talent and turned them loose, for instance Andrew Stanton onto "John Carter" (big flop) and now a former storyboard artist as a director for MU.  Meanwhile, other studios have learned, Disney stopped hand drawn animation and those talented people went to work for competing studios, and it's a new era and landscape since Toy Story 1995.  The Pixar baby has grown up and must evolve to working in the world with other studios' animation department products.  

John Ratzenberger is Pixar's good luck charm voice artist-actor, appearing in some way in all of Pixar's 14 movies, reprising his role as the Yeti in MU.  But sometimes in real life "luck" is more a matter of studying your ever changing and evolving audience, keeping good talent in house and happy and nurturing their talent, hiring talent to match who stays in house, and staying one or two or more steps ahead of your competition.  And consistency.  Hard to do, hard to maintain.

If MU fares less than expected, and Pixar has a high bar for audience and critic expectations, either give Ratzenberger a bigger role in some future Pixar film (milk that "good luck charm", baby ! ) if one believes Pixar's internal superstitions, or have the "good luck charm" sit in on all story and development conferences at Pixar from here on out, for as long as Mr. Ratzenberger lives or has the health and stamina for it.  Or maybe Pixar and Disney need to go on retreat and trace the past, try to recapture the spirit of 1995-2010 except maybe for Cars, and ask Disney to the heck let them be independent again and not make movies that sell toys, but make movies that people want to see and are fresh, new, different, and tug at the hearts of families and return to the Louvre-like animation excellence we've always known from Pixar.

Monsters University opens June 21, is G-rated.
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Posted: June 19, 2013, 5:38 pm Quote

Quote (CarolKoster @ June 10, 2013, 4:13 pm)
[….]

Here's a list of Pixar's major movies in chronological order, along with their Rotten Tomatoes scores.  

[….]

Toy Story 1995 100% Fresh
A Bug's Life 1998 92% Fresh
Toy Story 2 1999 100% Fresh
Monster's, Inc. 2001 96% Fresh
Finding Nemo 2003 99% Fresh
The Incredibles 2004 97% Fresh

Disney buys Pixar 2006.

Cars 2006 74% Fresh
Ratatouille 2007 96% Fresh
WALL-E 2008 96% Fresh
Up 2009 98% Fresh
Toy Story 3 2010 99% Fresh
Cars 2 2011 38% Rotten
Brave 2012 78% Fresh

[….]

Rotten Tomatoes June 19, 2013: 79% Fresh.  Reviews are still being added so that score will move up and down through and past Opening Weekend this weekend.  

Here are the Pixar movie Rotten Tomatoes scores in order from best (100 % "Toy Story" and "Toy Story 2" ) to worst (38% Cars 2).  "Monsters University" is moving up and down the Tomatometer as new reviews are posted, but to give a tentative indicator I'm adding a * ranking it's RT score as of today.

100% Toy Story 1995
100% Toy Story 2 1999
99% Finding Nemo 2003
99% Toy Story 3 2010
98% Up 2009
97% The Incredibles 2004
96% Monsters, Inc. 2001
96% Ratatouille 2007
96% Wall-E 2008
92% A Bug's Life 1998
*79% Monsters University 2013 (* This score will change, tentative ranking)
78% Brave 2012
74% Cars 2006
38% Cars 2 2011

Scores of 60 and higher = Fresh
Scores of 59 or lower = Rotten

Scores of 60 and higher at Metacritic are also considered "positive reviews", and right now June 19 "Monsters University" is at 67 not far from the borderline between "positive review" and their category of "mixed reviews" of 59 and lower.

Rated G.  NOT in IMAX or IMAX 3-D, so parents get at least that kind of a price break at the box office.  It is in 2-D and 3-D, however.

Staying through the closing credits: Yes? No?  The answer according to one review I read is… Yes.  There IS movie content not just into the closing credits but also after all the credits are over… There IS a little "Easter egg" after the closing credits. So hang out 'til the movie theater crew wants to move in and pick the trash and spilled popcorn up, there will be something more to see !

Say a little movie-goers' Walt Disney prayer for Pixar, that in future films and future years Disney will let them make movies the way Pixar used to and they can score those 90s Rotten Tomatoes Fresh scores once again and rediscover their magic mojo.    :pixiedust:
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Posted: June 20, 2013, 7:49 pm Quote

Well, it got as high as 84%, then down to 81%, now back to 77%, it seesaws up and down literally by the minute the night before Opening Day on Rotten Tomatoes as new reviews are added.  The Baton Rouge Advocate and New Orleans Times Picayune, newspapers local to us, both panned "Monsters University".  

Dear Husband and I are seeing an Eve-Of-Opening-Day showing at 8 PM CDT Thursday June 20.  In 2-D.  Here's hoping the movie is actually better than the reviews have been.  Cheers ! :beer:

Parental Guidance websites are starting to post reviews, too.

--Plugged In Online, the movie review service of Christian Dr. Charles Dobson's Focus on the Family, likes it, gives it 4.5 out of 5 plugs.

http://www.pluggedin.com/movies/intheaters/monsters-university.aspx

--Rotten Tomatoes, 77% and changing rapidly as new reviews are added.  "Brave" got 78%, "Cars" got 74%, "Cars 2" got 38% Rotten.  Higher than "Brave" is "A Bug's Life at 92%, and all other Pixar movies are 95% and higher.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/monsters_university/

--Metacritic score 62, at 60 it's the borderline between "positive review" and "mixed", so MU quite close to leaving "good" for "mixed" over there.

http://www.metacritic.com/movie/monsters-university

--Beliefnet's Movie Mom Nell Minow rates MU at B+.

http://blog.beliefnet.com/moviemom/2013/06/monsters-university.html

--No reviews yet on Catholic News Service or Kids In Mind.
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Posted: June 21, 2013, 12:10 am Quote

Rich and I went the night before Opening Day, 8 PM CDT in 3-D, and…..

:thumbsdown:  :thumbsdown:

I doubt the late Gene Siskel or the late Roger Ebert would have liked it, either.

OK…  My review as posted on Facebook:

My review of Disney-Pixar's "Monsters University": Don't bother.

CGI was fine, animation was fine, music by Randy Newman was OK. That's not the problem.

The problem: The movie wasn't funny, and the idea of "college life" was going over kids' heads.

At a 8 PM CDT weeknight showing, the night before Opening Day, there were parents there with little kids…. And the audience including the little kids laughed more and more lively for the TRAILERS before the movie than for the movie itself.. For the movie itself: Silence. Odd for a Pixar movie.

Best way to handle this: Pop in any Pixar movie into your DVD player or Blu-Ray or downloaded, maybe even "Monsters, Inc." You'll enjoy a great Pixar Movie Night at home much better than spending $$ on MU.

We sprang and saw it in 3-D, don't bother seeing MU in 3-D either, nothing special about it.

And nothing special about the scene at the end of the closing credits.

I wouldn't call it "Rotten" as per Rotten Tomatoes, but MU is only a few increments better than "Cars 2" was, and I hated "Cars 2".

**Your mileage and your theater audiences and your family and tastes may vary,** but all I can relate is how our audience was tonight.

In 2014 is "Finding Dory", the sequel to "Finding Nemo"… If MU is a weather vane for that… oh brother….

Dear Teenage Son who didn't want to accompany us tonight, when I phoned him after the movie was over and told him we didn't like it, told me, "Told you so!" Smart 17 YO!

I liked the Pixar short, 100% CGI but photo-realistic CGI, about the umbrellas in love in the rain in the city… Thought it had class and some heart to it, very good. Dear Husband didn't care for it. So we're split on that.

We spent $1.50 per person over the cost of Chase Disney VISA Movie Rewards Checks to see this movie…. Rich my Dear Husband wants his buck-fifty $$ back!  He's seriously disappointed in "Monsters University".   :angry:

Those negative Rotten Tomatoes reviews, if you click and read them all in entirety even the positive ones have something to say remarking that Pixar seems to have slipped in quality the last couple of movies including this one.  I can attest those comments are accurate.  Listen to them.  The writers are right this time.  Trust me.

If you have to go out and see this in the theater, save $$ and go at a matinee' when it's cheaper and see it in 2-D, not 3-D.
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Posted: June 21, 2013, 10:42 am Quote

Still no parental guidance reviews Friday morning June 21 at Kids In Mind and Catholic News Service, however if you're interested particularly in those I suggest haunt their respect websites 'til something gets posted.  Scroll up in this Topic and different parental guidance opinions are posted elsewhere, just click and take a look.

Friday Opening Day dawned with MU getting a Rotten Tomatoes consensus of 76% Fresh.  Scroll up in this Topic to see how other Pixar movies have scored at Rotten Tomatoes and where MU's 76% fits into those listings.  It's a little worse than "Brave", a little better than "Cars" and a lot better than "Cars 2".  But a lot worse than others in the Pixar lineage.

Box office wise Disney-Pixar might be sitting pretty.

Folks at Box Office Mojo expect MU to earn in the $70 millions this weekend in order to be consistent with other Opening Weekends Pixar's had.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3694&p=.htm

Meanwhile at Deadline Hollywood Nikki Finke is hearing ticket purchases for MU are outpacing the first "Cars" and last year's "Brave".

Both DH and BOM expect MU to open #1 in the US this weekend due to Pixar's track record and nothing else really family oriented in the marketplace, and pent up demand.

http://www.deadline.com/2013....a-korea

No exact production or marketing budgets are released for MU, but "Monsters Inc" was $115 million, "Brave" was $185 million.  Generally what I've learned is a movie needs 2.5 to 3 times what the production-marketing budget was to break even and start turning a profit.  So let's say MU was also $185 million to make-market, that would mean it needs to earn, worldwide, at least $462.5 million to $555 million to pay for itself and everything after that is pure profit.  Pixar generally has a positive track record about that.  And if it comes up short, Iron Man 3's success might just absorb and offset that, as will the success this year of "Oz The Great and Powerful", that, so Disney still makes money off its film division.

In doing some reading around those who've seen MU early on are posting highly favorable, well mostly highly favorable, reactions-reviews to it.  It very well could be Rich and I in not caring for it all that much are in the minority.  That's OK…  Not all movies are to all tastes even if you're a fan of whatever it is the movie is about, who made it, or who stars in it.  A former member of Disney Echo posted on Facebook she really liked MU !  So mileages can and do vary.

It looks like MU might rake it in at the US domestic box office this weekend no matter what my husband and I think about the movie.  Do what's right and what's best by you… See it, or not.  

The 2014 Pixar movie is the sequel to "Finding Nemo" called "Finding Dory".  

Also in there in the mix:  MU is the basis of Disney Parks summer marketing.  So have a monster time both at the movie theaters and at Disney Parks, and at Subway Sandwiches, buying Swiffer house cleaning devices and products, Huggies diapers and pull-ups, a lot of products for Proctor & Gamble…..
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$86 Million US Domestic Opening Weekend, #1 in it's debut, beating Brad Pitt's zombie movie "World War Z" and beating "Man of Steel" about Superman.  $136 million worldwide.  

:dollar:  :clapping:  :dollar:

http://www.deadline.com/2013....a-korea

Congrats to Disney-Pixar, despite middling Rotten Tomatoes scores (78% Fresh Sunday afternoon 06/23/13, 89% of RT users who saw it liked it) vs. the 92-100% Fesh scores Pixar usually gets, and despite my husband and I weren't enamored of "Monsters University", MU owns the weekend this weekend!

:thumbsup:

Spoiler………  If you haven't seen the movie, skip reading now…… spoiler…..






I DID like, however, at the end of the movie, that no matter how you come into college, it's what you make of it, and even the most earnest and well-intentioned of people can "flunk" there.  There are, however, multiple paths to the same goal.  Luck can play a part, luck and being willing to start at the bottom, in unknown out of the way places if sonly an employer can see your potential and give you a chance.  You give it your best shot, pour into it all your heart's worth of professional can-do attitude, and eventually you'll be noticed, work your way up, even past the college-degreed folks, and do what they do,  That's how the movie ends.  Kicked out of MU, Mike and Sully happen to see a help wanted ad in the classified section of a newspaper for mail room clerk at Monsters, Inc.  They were hired there, worked their way up, got noticed, learned how the place operates….  And that is how and why they ended up being Class A Scaring Monsters in 2001's "Monsters, Inc."  Not by having gone to college, though they learned life lessons there, but by working their way up via apprenticeship and patience from the bottom up.  In society today there is now a debate whether a college degree is worth going into debt for in order to graduate and get mediocre jobs or jobs not even in your field of study.  College, for some people, is a waste of time, money, years, when what they'd be better at is vocational-technical education for a skilled tradesman.  Huge attention to detail, plot and visually, in MU about college life…  But how Mike and Sully got their start were by their college rejecting them and instead they got hired at the utility company anyway, started in the mail room, worked hard, worked their way up, and apprenticed.

My son attends a Catholic boys' high school.  In this year's graduating class many are going off to "fancy" colleges with demanding admissions standards studying demanding pursuits for degrees in professional fields.  Some however are going to more modest local colleges.  And a couple…  Are entering a local junior college-vocational-technical school to learn trades.  In so many generations we've become familiar it's "necessary" to go to college to earn that sheepskin.  College grads earn more per year than non-college grads.  Yet some college grads, even earning advanced degrees, end up not making it professionally, hitting dead ends.  Meanwhile when you need help, hire a plumber, a carpenter, a car mechanic, look who you need to hire to get a house built or landscaping installed, your hair cut or an appliance repaired, or goods transported from here to there by truck.  Want to buy and renovate an historic home in a gentrified part of town?  Bricklayers with specific expertise are needed, carpenters and craftsmen and women with specific expertise are needed.  Electricians.  Etc.  Need to have your doctor transmit your medical or dental or lab claim to insurance?  Skilled craftspeople know all those medical codes so the forms are filled out, E-delivered, and get processed.  Who fills your prescription at the drug store?  A licensed degreed pharmacist oversees it's done right, but paraprofessionals do the work of it.  And for these and other trades:  Trade school works.

While I wish MU had more of what I was looking for in a Pixar movie, and I can wish our audience with us in the theater that night had been more responsive (they liked the trailers of other movies better ) I can applaud Pixar-Disney for putting that realization in their movie:  It no longer MUST take a college degree to succeed in the working world for some working fields.

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