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Posted: April 08, 2007, 3:18 pm Quote

I agree, Sandra, there sexual preference doesn't mean they should have special rules made for them....that's not what being equal is about...

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Posted: April 09, 2007, 1:38 am Quote

Wow.  I guess I have the "oddball" opinion here.  I have no problem with them opening the wedding pavillion and other venues up to commitment ceremonies between gay or lesbian couples.  I don't see it as making special rules for them, I see it as no long needing seperate special rules.  They aren't issuing a marriage license and the ceremony is not something that is legally binding.  If it is "special rules,"  that is only because right now they are not allowed to have the same rules for marriage as heterosexual couples.  Now that there are states like MA that do allow gay marriage, if those individuals could produce a marriage license, they should have been elligible for a vow renewal ceremony anyway, which goes through the same FairyTale Weddings office.

I'm not concerned about anything being "in your face" because these ceremonies are not going to take place in the parks in front of you.  They will be held as they always have outside of park hours.  Magic Kingdom ceremonies are held after park closing.  Epcot hosts ceremonies in World Showcase before that section of the park opens at 11 am.  No one, gay or straight, will be getting married in front of the castle while you are walking by on your way to Dumbo.  They may have weddings or receptions going on during the day in the resort areas where you may see the wedding party out and about but that is no different than what they had been doing before.  Same sex couples could always rent a suite or ballroom or whatever in the resorts to have their ceremonies.  I guess places like Sunset Point at the Poly or the Gazebo at the Boardwalk are out in the open but they are also easy enough to keep your family away from if you see a ceremony setting up and you feel that you don't want to be around it.  We were at the Magic Kingdom during Gay Days in 2004 and didn't find it to be a big deal.  It wasn't an issue for us or our kids (then 3 and 4).  I respect the fact that there are people who would prefer not to have their kids around that situation and that is their decision.  As parents we all try to do what we feel is best for our kids.  My husband and I felt like our kids will come into contact with gay or lesbian people in their lifetime and we would handle the situation as we do with anything else, answer any questions honestly and giving as much info as the kids ask for and we feel they can handle.  To be honest, I had a harder time answering the questions about how their baby brother got into mom's tummy than I did about anything they saw at the MK that day!  ;)

For me it's not a big deal at all.  I'm as likely to give a big smile and offer congrats to a couple I see wearing bride and groom ears as one wearing bride and bride or groom and groom ears (though I've never seen any of the latter in the parks...but I'd still say congrats if I did).  That's just my opinion though. When GA had on the ballot the issue of changing the state constitution to word marriage being between a man and woman only, I voted against that.  The constitution, state or national, shouldn't be used to limit rights, IMHO.  I respect that everyone may not agree with me but wanted to add my opinion to the discussion.  :)


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Posted: April 09, 2007, 1:09 pm Quote

Well said Lori.  I have no problem with this.  I have gay friends and my kids have been raised tolerant and to respect others, even if they don't understand or "approve" of their lifestyles.  It's 2007, there are a lot of nontraditional relationships out there.  I know that this is a really heated subject, and I was going to stay out of it, but I couldn't.  My kids want to get married in WDW, if they were gay or lesbian I would want them to have their dream.

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Posted: April 09, 2007, 1:57 pm Quote

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What's happening now, doesn't sound like Walt wanted. The Disney Parks are turning political rather than staying Magical and a wonderful place to go as Walt's intention.  :tear:


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Posted: April 09, 2007, 5:21 pm Quote

I guess it's a different way of looking at things or just a difference of opinion but I sort of see this as staying out of political fray.  It's saying "anyone who can give us $8,000+ and wants to have a ceremony of some sort celebrating their relationship is welcome to do so."  I see it as staying out of political fray in that they aren't turning anyone away.  It would be different if they were issuing some sort of marriage license but they aren't.  It would be different if the ceremony were being held in a church (while I have no problem with gay marriage I do respect that churches should have the right to refuse a religious ceremony if they do not feel it is appropriate be it because of previous divorce, sexual preference of the couple or any other reason, the couple could always find another church open to performing the ceremony or have a civil ceremony) but even the wedding pavillion is not an official place of worship.  

There is no way to know what Walt would have wanted.  I agree that he probably didn't even consider the possibility of having weddings of any sort on Disney property.  1950s Walt may have had a different opinion than 2007 Walt, were he still around.  Times have changed a lot an who is to say what Walt would have felt with regards to that change.  I'd like to think that he wanted the parks to be a "happy place" for families of all types to celebrate...traditional families, single parent families, blended families and yes, even families with 2 Moms or 2 Dads.  At the core, they are all the same...a group of people who love each other unconditionally even though they occasionally make each other crazy.  ;)

Like I said before....just a different way of looking at it.  I do respect that others don't agree with me.  It's my opinion and it's fine to take it or leave it.  I don't mean any disrespect by disagreeing, just wanted the flip side expressed as well.  :)


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Posted: April 09, 2007, 6:03 pm Quote

Yeah Lori :bowdown:

   All though i go to church . I'm getting a little put out buy the religious right throwing there wieght around acting like theres is the only opinion that counts and not any of the other billions of people that live on this big blue marble mean anything. The marriage argument is based on religious bias. What if your not religious ?? can you not get married ? i dont think so. So who cares. If we didn't force them to make it a big deal it wouldn't be.
 

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Posted: April 10, 2007, 8:49 am Quote

I wouldn't go as far as offering congrats to a newly "married" gay couple, but God tells us to love everyone, not just those we approve of.

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Posted: April 10, 2007, 1:52 pm Quote

Luann, I totally agree with you.  I love everyone, even if I don't agree with them.

As for marriage being religious, it is biological.  The reason 2 people need to get together is to procreate.  (I am not saying that married people can only do it if they are planning on procreating, but that is the purpose of "it".)  Homosexual relationships have no biological reason.  It is strictly a pleasure, be it physical or emotional, relationship.  I am a christian, but also a scientist and look at everything through my beaker so to speak.

That said, I have known may gays and lesbians.  All but one were among the most wonderful people I have met.  They would have done anything for me and more dependable than most other friends I had.  (That one was a very evil person, but that is not because he was gay, he was just an evil person.) They are not bad people and I would never base my opinion on someone on that.  I do believe that they are sinners, so am I, and everyone else.  I have committed more sin than some and less than others.  Praise the Lord for forgiveness.

My only problem is making an exception for them.  Grant it, they can't get a marriage license, but until that changes, that is the way it is.  If they were to get married in a state where it is legal and then go for a vow renewal with a valid license, then I would have no prob with that.  It is the exception that I disagree with.


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Posted: April 10, 2007, 2:17 pm Quote

Jeff,

:no: We're not trying to throw our weight around with our religious beliefs - we're stating our opinions and feelings like everyone else. It doesn't appear that anyone is against gay people just the exception to the rule. Then we continue to explain why . . .


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Posted: April 10, 2007, 4:57 pm Quote

HI Carol

Maybe i came across the wrong way. I just feel that there wouldn't have to be an exception if people would allow it. Like it or not religion is a problem in this matter (IE) no gay marriages. Who cares if there married??? The divorce rate is over 60% in this country. Maybe they'll have better luck ,if not they can join in the fun of divorce that most people are having to suffer through. I personally feel if your lucky enough to find someone in this world that you can love and enjoy life with male or female you are a lucky person.
  Again i didn't mean to attack anyone just trying to state my opinion as well for coversations sake we could beat this horse for years and never agree :laugh: .


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